* [Flent-users] What other magic shims exist for pyqt? [not found] ` <CALjsLJsBXiMOWRR_GpjS9Vp=jWF9g3b0C8ToJ+3WTOpabwn+hQ@mail.gmail.com> @ 2022-03-09 19:11 ` Dave Taht 2022-03-09 19:13 ` [Flent-users] " Nathan Owens 2022-03-09 22:42 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2022-03-09 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nathan Owens, flent-users "ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version." On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 2:08 PM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote: > > Yea, I tried all that, and followed the directions to install on my mac freshly, no luck! > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:05 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> apt-get install python3-qtpy # there's also another qt relate shim lib >> for some oses >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:59 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote: >> > >> > These were run for 300s. Oddly both my linux machine and mac tell me "ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version." when trying to run flent-gui. >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:45 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> flent-gui *.flent.gz >> >> >> >> also -l 300 for a longer test. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Not sure how to make these into a pretty picture, but here ya go! >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> None of these web based tests run long enough to show the degradation >> >> >> in starlink service that happens after a "speedtest" like interval. I >> >> >> note that conceptually I don't have much problem with the idea of an >> >> >> ISP throttling bandwidth for "hogs" after some interval, but I do have >> >> >> a problem with that cost also being vastly increased delays whilst the >> >> >> throttling happens. I talked to the attached plot in my recent talk >> >> >> here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWViGcBlnm0&t=29m45s >> >> >> >> >> >> When you are dependent on realtime comms, and sharing a link with >> >> >> potentially many others, keeping queuing delays short no matter the >> >> >> bandwidth, in a warzone, seems important. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Here's mine when I'm not having any issues, pretty decent IMO: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=5d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b7bf-3f5230fb993a >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> >> >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Starlink mailing list >> >> >> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Starlink mailing list >> >> >> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> >> >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >> >> >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> >> >> -- >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* [Flent-users] Re: What other magic shims exist for pyqt? 2022-03-09 19:11 ` [Flent-users] What other magic shims exist for pyqt? Dave Taht @ 2022-03-09 19:13 ` Nathan Owens 2022-03-09 22:42 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Nathan Owens @ 2022-03-09 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: flent-users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4895 bytes --] Thanks Dave, to note, this happens on an M1 MacBook Pro, and on Fedora 35. On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:11 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > "ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version." > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 2:08 PM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote: > > > > Yea, I tried all that, and followed the directions to install on my mac > freshly, no luck! > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:05 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> apt-get install python3-qtpy # there's also another qt relate shim lib > >> for some oses > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:59 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote: > >> > > >> > These were run for 300s. Oddly both my linux machine and mac tell me > "ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version." when trying to run flent-gui. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:45 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> flent-gui *.flent.gz > >> >> > >> >> also -l 300 for a longer test. > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Not sure how to make these into a pretty picture, but here ya go! > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> None of these web based tests run long enough to show the > degradation > >> >> >> in starlink service that happens after a "speedtest" like > interval. I > >> >> >> note that conceptually I don't have much problem with the idea of > an > >> >> >> ISP throttling bandwidth for "hogs" after some interval, but I do > have > >> >> >> a problem with that cost also being vastly increased delays > whilst the > >> >> >> throttling happens. I talked to the attached plot in my recent > talk > >> >> >> here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWViGcBlnm0&t=29m45s > >> >> >> > >> >> >> When you are dependent on realtime comms, and sharing a link with > >> >> >> potentially many others, keeping queuing delays short no matter > the > >> >> >> bandwidth, in a warzone, seems important. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Here's mine when I'm not having any issues, pretty decent IMO: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=5d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b7bf-3f5230fb993a > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, Jason < > Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over > Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as > via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" < > starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$ > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> >> >> >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$ > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> Starlink mailing list > >> >> >> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >> >> >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$ > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> Starlink mailing list > >> >> >> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >> >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> >> >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > >> >> > >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > >> > >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > -- > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 9172 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* [Flent-users] Re: What other magic shims exist for pyqt? 2022-03-09 19:11 ` [Flent-users] What other magic shims exist for pyqt? Dave Taht 2022-03-09 19:13 ` [Flent-users] " Nathan Owens @ 2022-03-09 22:42 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen @ 2022-03-09 22:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht, Nathan Owens, flent-users Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> writes: > "ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version." You'll need 'apt install python3-pyside2 python3-matplotlib-qt5' as well. See https://github.com/tohojo/flent/issues/259 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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