From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2c]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98C3D93BEBA for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 20:13:58 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=nathan.io header.i=@nathan.io header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=google header.b=zcbXdOjO Received: by mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com with SMTP id g21so3471085vsp.6 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 11:13:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WWzVfiGI4A+5iP798gun03s6qS5YtzuYnGqs/4pBXPs=; b=zcbXdOjOSv1MeQdQtpxz7rHhJAjQL5iKfw387C288mAYxWWNfrNDRw5/TPs5Nb3bsR MKy83GxnKBwMI3Lm2Buh1wEEXPH4phRTNWEW7R7yf8A8jCJulVIBxE8pk4P+u36vMn3t n01IQlajAU73Dz5ij+igN2jx6NoTH0Jm8yIsalfdzQI7cZf+p4qQHf8u2vRefeNg1Hlp pyjo9qU8VFmvUK6NgxyrMTEHcWYT9aiaZ5hMP2ZIvPkVtOkgw+6CFeB3QtnN56w+ZTJu vy0G9af90L+i8eAmLc+Sivgt2ICbffMxZwYtuSdqyHdiBKmsWtZaTPYhMHSgjqXfTlnG bxUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WWzVfiGI4A+5iP798gun03s6qS5YtzuYnGqs/4pBXPs=; b=PfZoES9nVDIMVtIEnBr+IGE5z9RcWNpGwnQfygX+Ejb5OKJsOhnCN8nbSFTdkh3s/z akkNT4flkqecLvH04GMq0/s80/hFXXgwV3hCQeEQrhbvJWtbdooposaMlTcSbxGPFc3f cRhq2NAH0GDKNmtcbvJsvvQbuF8m4njLhw6KT9BEifAb24MMGEhI8NK107WmzaCQtNKw J1H+z4EhTRtvFEqTkzzHln/jyv+WrgTAIMvh8jsHCNJIg9pZsccypW+KZdq1bvEFcQab jcxkm1DdLq+xBqJVC3UpFz6NDXnq4gNuuTx5tSWcIILWnc7o4pyvEye/E9kbNKaEAG7u R3Qg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532KZaDNNyj2FMoBkdkwDuMtWiKRw2KtDnGpkAQLq60PNpXHStik RYf1SED6LPZK/iRei1j+1x0Qt5DjRJkdXKIA+OYraw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyghVtbeXsikFU09KEpzxxME/VopiMNQ06gRBFZU7Rd8BV6ETwjkSSSYLfNfN7fkVVLkF2aFnR657TyBY9icf8= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f454:0:b0:320:90a0:67f9 with SMTP id r20-20020a67f454000000b0032090a067f9mr578721vsn.80.1646853236389; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 11:13:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Nathan Owens Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 11:13:45 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000270b6e05d9cde63d" X-MailFrom: nathan@nathan.io X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation Message-ID-Hash: 4BT325KL2YTP2BNSN43HJI4K7WZLQMIE X-Message-ID-Hash: 4BT325KL2YTP2BNSN43HJI4K7WZLQMIE X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 23:43:06 +0100 CC: flent-users X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.5 Precedence: list Subject: [Flent-users] Re: What other magic shims exist for pyqt? List-Id: Flent discussion list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000270b6e05d9cde63d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Dave, to note, this happens on an M1 MacBook Pro, and on Fedora 35. On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:11 AM Dave Taht wrote: > "ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version." > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 2:08 PM Nathan Owens wrote: > > > > Yea, I tried all that, and followed the directions to install on my mac > freshly, no luck! > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:05 AM Dave Taht wrote: > >> > >> apt-get install python3-qtpy # there's also another qt relate shim lib > >> for some oses > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:59 AM Nathan Owens wrote: > >> > > >> > These were run for 300s. Oddly both my linux machine and mac tell me > "ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version." when trying to run flent-gui= . > >> > > >> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:45 AM Dave Taht wrote= : > >> >> > >> >> flent-gui *.flent.gz > >> >> > >> >> also -l 300 for a longer test. > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:24 AM Nathan Owens > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Not sure how to make these into a pretty picture, but here ya go! > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Taht > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> None of these web based tests run long enough to show the > degradation > >> >> >> in starlink service that happens after a "speedtest" like > interval. I > >> >> >> note that conceptually I don't have much problem with the idea o= f > an > >> >> >> ISP throttling bandwidth for "hogs" after some interval, but I d= o > have > >> >> >> a problem with that cost also being vastly increased delays > whilst the > >> >> >> throttling happens. I talked to the attached plot in my recent > talk > >> >> >> here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTWViGcBlnm0&t=3D29m45s > >> >> >> > >> >> >> When you are dependent on realtime comms, and sharing a link wit= h > >> >> >> potentially many others, keeping queuing delays short no matter > the > >> >> >> bandwidth, in a warzone, seems important. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:24 AM Nathan Owens > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Here's mine when I'm not having any issues, pretty decent IMO: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3D5d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b= 7bf-3f5230fb993a > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, Jason < > Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over > Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at that time - such = as > via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> =EF=BB=BFOn 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht"= < > starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-= zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFriv= rejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$ > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> >> >> >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps*= 3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0= TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$ > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> Starlink mailing list > >> >> >> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >> >> >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starli= nk__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5Cx= lN2sj_SP7yVhg$ > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> Starlink mailing list > >> >> >> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >> >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> >> >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.or= g > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > >> >> > >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > >> > >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > -- > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > --000000000000270b6e05d9cde63d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Dave,

to note, this h= appens on an M1 MacBook Pro, and on Fedora 35.

On Wed, Mar 9, 202= 2 at 11:11 AM Dave Taht <dave.tah= t@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0"ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version."

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 2:08 PM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote:
>
> Yea, I tried all that, and followed the directions to install on my ma= c freshly, no luck!
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:05 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> apt-get install python3-qtpy # there's also another qt relate = shim lib
>> for some oses
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:59 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote:
>> >
>> > These were run for 300s. Oddly both my linux machine and mac = tell me "ERROR: Unable to find a usable Qt version." when trying = to run flent-gui.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:45 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:=
>> >>
>> >> flent-gui *.flent.gz
>> >>
>> >> also -l 300 for a longer test.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:24 AM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wro= te:
>> >> >
>> >> > Not sure how to make these into a pretty picture, bu= t here ya go!
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 6:57 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> None of these web based tests run long enough to= show the degradation
>> >> >> in starlink service that happens after a "s= peedtest" like interval. I
>> >> >> note that conceptually I don't have much pro= blem with the idea of an
>> >> >> ISP throttling bandwidth for "hogs" af= ter some interval, but I do have
>> >> >> a problem with that cost also being vastly incre= ased delays whilst the
>> >> >> throttling happens. I talked to the attached plo= t in my recent talk
>> >> >> here: https:/= /www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTWViGcBlnm0&t=3D29m45s
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When you are dependent on realtime comms, and sh= aring a link with
>> >> >> potentially many others, keeping queuing delays = short no matter the
>> >> >> bandwidth, in a warzone, seems important.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:24 AM Nathan Owens <= nathan@nathan.io&= gt; wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here's mine when I'm not having any= issues, pretty decent IMO:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3D5= d18f5f3-74b8-4cad-b7bf-3f5230fb993a
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 6:32 AM Livingood, J= ason <J= ason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> When folks experience sub-par video con= ferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats at = that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.wavef= orm.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> =EF=BB=BFOn 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starl= ink on behalf of Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-zo= omready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivre= jHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I tried to build a b= etter future, a few times:
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://url= defense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fwww.i= cei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyN= Ny4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, = TekLibre, LLC
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0____________________= ___________________________
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Starlink mailing lis= t
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.= net
>> >> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://urldefense.com/v3/__https= ://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xY= rGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> _______________________________________= ________
>> >> >> >> Starlink mailing list
>> >> >> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> >> >> >> https://lists.buf= ferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> >> >> https:/= /wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times:
>> >> https://wayforwar= d.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
>> >>
>> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> I tried to build a better future, a few times:
>> https://wayforward.archive= .org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
>>
>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC



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I tried to build a better future, a few times:
https://wayforward.archive.org/?sit= e=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org

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