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From: Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Taran Lynn <tflynn@ucdavis.edu>,
	ghosal@cs.ucdavis.edu, BBR Development <bbr-dev@googlegroups.com>,
	Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	ECN-Sane <ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>
Subject: [Flent-users] Re: [Make-wifi-fast] D* tcp looks pretty good, on paper
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:22:25 -0800
Message-ID: <CAHb6LvrKw45zKPXR1G_WGLCCc=D1j7sdqHe3g7btfUfBNP9d+g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw55gM4zRsEqYF=71KCTju9yDp4wtiXaKGzmPyTVWLFoBw@mail.gmail.com>


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Could be interesting to use an isochronous traffic profile as well as take
histograms, using the actual end/end frame latency instead of RTT. This
does require clock sync.
CLIENT SPECIFIC OPTIONS*--isochronous[=**fps*:*mean*,*stdev**]*send
isochronous traffic with frequency frames per second and load defined by
mean and standard deviation using a log normal distribution, defaults to
60:20m,0. (Note: Here the suffixes indicate bytes/sec or bits/sec per use
of uppercase or lowercase, respectively. Also the p suffix is supported to
set the burst size in packets, e.g. isochronous=2:25p will send two 25
packet bursts every second, or one 25 packet burst every 0.5 seconds.)SERVER
SPECIFIC OPTIONS*--histograms[=**binwidth*[u],*bincount*,[*lowerci*],[
*upperci*]]enable latency histograms for udp packets (-u), for tcp writes
(with --trip-times), or for either udp or tcp with --isochronous clients.
The binning can be modified. Bin widths (default 1 millisecond, append u
for microseconds,) bincount is total bins (default 1000), ci is confidence
interval between 0-100% (default lower 5%, upper 95%, 3 stdev 99.7%)Bob

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:41 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is through one of the last remaining cerowrt boxes in the world,
> running fq_codel. tcp-davis takes about a 20% single stream throughput
> hit vs bbr.
>
> I note, that I don't care one whit about throughput anymore. I care
> that nothing, NOTHING messes up my videoconference...
>
> and thus the tcp-rtt stats attached for davis are pleasing.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 12:26 PM Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > FYI, one can try this out using iperf 2.1 with --trip-times.  This gives
> end/end delay at the application level. One can use --trip-times when clocks
> > are sync'd to get the write to read latencies which are the latencies at
> the application level.
> >
> > Note: I set up a Raspberry Pi 4 with a GPS hat from ubutronics for
> solderless pulse per second.  Then configured it as a PTP grandmaster.
> This cost me around $200.
> >
> > I also added support for a very crude --near-congestion option that
> paces the writes based upon the weight of the RTT.  The tcp_info struct is
> sampled and available
> > for other experiments though one would have to modify the source a bit.
> This current technique used by iperf 2.1 is designed for test networks only
> where all
> > traffic is under script control. We've had too many people measuring
> bloat as latency. We really need separate measurements between the two
> phenomena,
> > bloat vs latency, because they require different eng actions for a
> semiconductor supplier.
> >
> > Below are examples over a 10G link, first with no write pacing then with
> it. The server output, shown first, has the latency data (as well as the
> net power
> > and little's law calculation.)  (Note: use --histograms for to get full
> distributions.)
> >
> > No write pacing
> >
> > [rjmcmahon@localhost iperf2-code]$ src/iperf -s -i 1 -e
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Server listening on TCP port 5001 with pid 24568
> > Read buffer size:  128 KByte (Dist bin width=16.0 KByte)
> > TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > [  1] local 192.168.1.10%enp2s0 port 5001 connected with 192.168.1.62
> port 50056 (MSS=1448) (trip-times) (sock=4) (peer 2.1.0-rc) on 2021-01-07
> 12:11:04 (PST)
> > [ ID] Interval        Transfer    Bandwidth    Burst Latency
> avg/min/max/stdev (cnt/size) inP NetPwr  Reads=Dist
> > [  1] 0.00-1.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.34 Gbits/sec
> 2.959/1.180/3.681/0.388 ms (8905/131072) 3.31 MByte 394522
> 18480=2459:2580:2475:2354:2203:2192:1974:2243
> > [  1] 1.00-2.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 2.993/2.302/3.703/0.359 ms (8978/131072) 3.36 MByte 393209
> 19482=2526:2850:3102:2622:2344:2297:1867:1874
> > [  1] 2.00-3.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec
> 3.010/2.302/3.692/0.347 ms (8978/131085) 3.38 MByte 391047
> 19387=2563:2757:2928:2708:2432:2244:1829:1926
> > [  1] 3.00-4.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 3.009/2.301/3.668/0.348 ms (8979/131060) 3.38 MByte 391094
> 18821=2456:2585:2660:2545:2270:2239:1906:2160
> > [  1] 4.00-5.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec
> 2.985/2.299/3.696/0.359 ms (8979/131070) 3.35 MByte 394295
> 19441=2509:2886:2959:2728:2336:2200:1971:1852
> > [  1] 5.00-6.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 2.977/2.258/3.671/0.363 ms (8978/131082) 3.34 MByte 395352
> 18509=2352:2602:2464:2380:2263:2142:2095:2211
> > [  1] 6.00-7.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 2.980/2.290/3.680/0.363 ms (8978/131072) 3.34 MByte 394873
> 18522=2407:2499:2565:2334:2213:2268:1999:2237
> > [  1] 7.00-8.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec
> 2.980/2.253/3.702/0.362 ms (8979/131073) 3.35 MByte 394972
> 18615=2427:2592:2493:2460:2281:2057:2062:2243
> > [  1] 8.00-9.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 2.976/2.277/3.663/0.364 ms (8979/131065) 3.34 MByte 395443
> 18632=2338:2615:2647:2351:2192:2317:2063:2109
> > [  1] 9.00-10.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 2.976/2.293/3.690/0.366 ms (8978/131076) 3.34 MByte 395416
> 18428=2281:2622:2497:2275:2178:2253:2129:2193
> > [  1] 0.00-10.00 sec  11.0 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 2.984/1.180/3.703/0.362 ms (89736/131072) 3.35 MByte 394014
> 188367=24320:26609:26793:24757:22712:22211:19916:21049
> >
> >
> > [rjmcmahon@localhost iperf2-code]src/iperf -c 192.168.1.10 --trip-times
> -i 1 -e
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Client connecting to 192.168.1.10, TCP port 5001 with pid 18961 (1 flows)
> > Write buffer size: 131072 Byte
> > TCP window size: 85.0 KByte (default)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > [  1] local 192.168.1.62%enp2s0 port 50056 connected with 192.168.1.10
> port 5001 (MSS=1448) (trip-times) (sock=3) (ct=0.41 ms) on 2021-01-07
> 12:11:04 (PST)
> > [ ID] Interval        Transfer    Bandwidth       Write/Err  Rtry
>  Cwnd/RTT        NetPwr
> > [  1] 0.00-1.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.37 Gbits/sec  8937/0          0
>  1508K/1099 us  1065750
> > [  1] 1.00-2.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec  8975/0          0
>  1508K/1087 us  1082218
> > [  1] 2.00-3.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec  8975/0          0
>  1508K/1081 us  1088225
> > [  1] 3.00-4.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec  8984/0          0
>  1508K/1085 us  1085300
> > [  1] 4.00-5.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec  8980/0          0
>  1508K/1105 us  1065182
> > [  1] 5.00-6.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec  8975/0          0
>  1582K/1100 us  1069428
> > [  1] 6.00-7.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec  8979/0          0
>  1582K/1121 us  1049862
> > [  1] 7.00-8.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec  8976/0          0
>  1582K/1133 us  1038396
> > [  1] 8.00-9.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec  8978/0          0
>  1582K/1115 us  1055394
> > [  1] 9.00-10.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec  8986/0          0
>  1582K/1122 us  1049744
> > [  1] 0.00-10.00 sec  11.0 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec  89748/0          0
>  1582K/1122 us  1048294
> >
> >
> > With write pacing
> >
> > [rjmcmahon@localhost iperf2-code]$ src/iperf -s -i 1 -e
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Server listening on TCP port 5001 with pid 24702
> > Read buffer size:  128 KByte (Dist bin width=16.0 KByte)
> > TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > [  1] local 192.168.1.10%enp2s0 port 5001 connected with 192.168.1.62
> port 50072 (MSS=1448) (trip-times) (sock=4) (peer 2.1.0-rc) on 2021-01-07
> 12:14:59 (PST)
> > [ ID] Interval        Transfer    Bandwidth    Burst Latency
> avg/min/max/stdev (cnt/size) inP NetPwr  Reads=Dist
> > [  1] 0.00-1.00 sec  1.08 GBytes  9.31 Gbits/sec
> 0.401/0.193/2.682/0.168 ms (8876/131084)  456 KByte 2904347
> 19868=3296:2404:2508:2797:3559:1778:1551:1975
> > [  1] 1.00-2.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 0.400/0.219/0.627/0.053 ms (8971/131071)  460 KByte 2937822
> 19117=3069:2267:2307:2510:3029:1824:1683:2428
> > [  1] 2.00-3.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec
> 0.374/0.193/0.541/0.055 ms (8958/131060)  428 KByte 3143030
> 18942=2846:2423:2304:2417:2927:1831:1856:2338
> > [  1] 3.00-4.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec
> 0.385/0.190/0.664/0.070 ms (8952/131072)  441 KByte 3050401
> 19248=3041:2175:2343:2749:3320:1805:1526:2289
> > [  1] 4.00-5.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec
> 0.380/0.197/0.546/0.057 ms (8965/131075)  436 KByte 3095915
> 19959=3321:2398:2551:2738:3500:1840:1532:2079
> > [  1] 5.00-6.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec
> 0.369/0.198/0.536/0.051 ms (8956/131072)  423 KByte 3177431
> 21060=3627:2456:2886:3189:4246:1813:1190:1653
> > [  1] 6.00-7.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec
> 0.380/0.202/0.562/0.054 ms (8959/131077)  436 KByte 3086914
> 19263=3044:2338:2424:2505:3155:1809:1636:2352
> > [  1] 7.00-8.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec
> 0.376/0.198/0.541/0.053 ms (8965/131061)  432 KByte 3122495
> 19137=3079:2303:2340:2455:3017:1822:1683:2438
> > [  1] 8.00-9.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec
> 0.381/0.208/0.576/0.054 ms (8974/131073)  438 KByte 3083767
> 19162=3050:2269:2392:2486:3019:1891:1667:2388
> > [  1] 9.00-10.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec
> 0.371/0.194/0.582/0.057 ms (8964/131070)  425 KByte 3169244
> 19143=3006:2411:2303:2462:3067:1744:1760:2390
> > [  1] 0.00-10.00 sec  10.9 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec
> 0.382/0.190/2.682/0.076 ms (89544/131072)  437 KByte 3074913
> 194908=31380:23444:24362:26308:32839:18161:16084:22330
> >
> >
> > [rjmcmahon@localhost iperf2-code]$ src/iperf -c 192.168.1.10
> --near-congestion=0.05 --trip-times -i 1 -e
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Client connecting to 192.168.1.10, TCP port 5001 with pid 19320 (1 flows)
> > Write buffer size: 131072 Byte
> > TCP near-congestion delay weight set to 0.0500
> > TCP window size: 85.0 KByte (default)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > [  1] local 192.168.1.62%enp2s0 port 50072 connected with 192.168.1.10
> port 5001 (MSS=1448) (trip-times) (sock=3) (ct=0.40 ms) on 2021-01-07
> 12:14:59 (PST)
> > [ ID] Interval        Transfer    Bandwidth       Write/Err  Rtry
>  Cwnd/RTT        NetPwr
> > [  1] 0.00-1.00 sec  1.08 GBytes  9.31 Gbits/sec  8881/0          0
>  1135K/373 us  3120427
> > [  1] 1.00-2.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec  8971/0          0
>  1135K/391 us  3007281
> > [  1] 2.00-3.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec  8958/0          0
>  1135K/331 us  3547260
> > [  1] 3.00-4.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec  8952/0          0
>  1135K/288 us  4074155
> > [  1] 4.00-5.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec  8965/0          0
>  1135K/301 us  3903855
> > [  1] 5.00-6.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec  8955/0          0
>  1135K/414 us  2835144
> > [  1] 6.00-7.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec  8961/0          0
>  1135K/470 us  2499013
> > [  1] 7.00-8.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec  8964/0          0
>  1135K/350 us  3356941
> > [  1] 8.00-9.00 sec  1.10 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec  8973/0          0
>  1135K/472 us  2491756
> > [  1] 9.00-10.00 sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec  8964/0          0
>  1135K/402 us  2922710
> > [  1] 0.00-10.00 sec  10.9 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec  89547/0          0
>  1135K/402 us  2919642
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 11:22 AM Taran Lynn via Make-wifi-fast <
> make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> The source can be found at https://github.com/lambda-11235/tcp_davis .
> >>
> >> The code mentioned in the paper can be found under the tag
> "arxiv_2020". The current master branch has an additional stable mode that
> I was testing out.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:35 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> See: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2012.14996.pdf
> >>>
> >>> Things I really like:
> >>>
> >>> * they used flent
> >>> * Using "variance" as the principal signal. This is essentially one of
> >>> the great unpublished and unanalyzed improvements on the minstrel
> >>> algorithm as well
> >>> * Conventional ecn response
> >>> * outperforms bbr on variable links
> >>>
> >>> Only negative so far is I haven't found any published source to it. :(
> >>>
> >>> Otherwise a very promising start to a year.
> >>>
> >>> "The choice of feedback mechanism between delay and packet loss has
> >>> long been a point of contention in TCP congestion control. This has
> >>> partly been resolved, as it has become increasingly evident that delay
> >>> based methods are needed to facilitate modern interactive web
> >>> applications. However, what has not been resolved is what control
> >>> should be used, with the two candidates being the congestion window
> >>> and the pacing rate. BBR is a new delay based congestion control
> >>> algorithm that uses a pacing rate as its primary control and the
> >>> congestion window as a secondary control. We propose that a congestion
> >>> window first algorithm might give more desirable performance
> >>> characteristics in situations where latency must be minimized even at
> >>> the expense of some loss in throughput. To evaluate this hypothesis we
> >>> introduce a new congestion control algorithm called TCP D*, which is a
> >>> congestion window first algorithm that adopts BBR's approach of
> >>> maximizing delivery rate while minimizing latency. In this paper, we
> >>> discuss the key features of this algorithm, discuss the differences
> >>> and similarity to BBR, and present some preliminary results based on a
> >>> real implementation."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
> >>> relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman
> >>>
> >>> dave@taht.net <Dave Täht> CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> >>
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-07 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-07 18:35 [Flent-users] " Dave Taht
2021-01-07 19:20 ` [Flent-users] " Taran Lynn
2021-01-07 20:25   ` [Flent-users] Re: [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-01-07 21:41     ` Dave Taht
2021-01-07 22:22       ` Bob McMahon [this message]
2021-01-08 14:35       ` [Flent-users] Re: [Ecn-sane] " Rodney W. Grimes
2021-01-08 17:52         ` Bob McMahon
2021-01-08 15:38 ` [Flent-users] Re: [bbr-dev] " Neal Cardwell
2021-01-08 16:13   ` [Flent-users] Re: [Make-wifi-fast] " Jonathan Morton
2021-01-08 16:24     ` Bryson Richard

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